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Tuesday
Aug032010

A New Low

There is no excuse for the INF clip of Jon dropping off the hysterical kids.  I am not going to link to it here but it can be found over at 15 Minutes, on YouTube and at a myriad of other sites for your viewing displeasure.  There are SO many things wrong with this scene. 

Jon is locked out of the gated property just as I first reported he was a few weeks back.  I can't imagine any purpose this could serve other than to satisfy Kate's vindictiveness.   As I said when I reported it weeks ago,  no matter how bad things get between estranged parents, the number one rule is to not put each other down in front of the kids.  This is very important because children need to believe that their parents are capable and competent.  Undermining the other parent's appearance of competance creates insecurity in children, plus it damages them in terms of adult role modeling etc.  It is an especially terrible thing to do to children who are already insecure because of a divorce.

The voice of the psuedo-sympathetic papparazzi is so offensive ~ cloying, exploitatative and phony.  We see Jon being frustrated and surely embarrassed, trying to avoid the camera while being stuck helplessly at the gate with a van full of unhappy children, and the cameraman moves in to get a closeup and ask stupid questions.  When the cameraman moves to the other side of the van we see and hear crying children along with the constant clicking clicking clicking of cameras.   This is in complete violation of the implicit paparazzi agreement to not upset or frighten the children.  Then as Jon walks away and gets into another car we hear the photographer asking more stupid questions, this time with slimy fake sympathy in his voice. 

What an awful documentation of the continuing pain of this family.  It is just one more humiliating, painful episode on top of the many others that have been filmed for all the world to view over and over again forever and ever.  The children will never be able to get away from these permanent documents.  They will be forever preserved for eternity and will impact their friendships, their school lives, their romantic relationships, their marriages, their jobs and even their own future parenting for the rest of their lives.  

UPDATE August 4

The paparazzi who took the video is Chris Watts who works for INF.   He is the Chris referred to in Al's book and he is also in the acknowledgements at the back.  The person driving Jon away is his friend Bob, who started out as a paps and then Jon befriended him.  They cut a lot of private deals to make money, as described in Al's book.

Would you like to be an INF "photojournalist" and sell your soul for the big bucks?  Apply here.

Meanwhile Jon's gotten into a pissing contest with Perez Hilton (ummm, golly gee whiz, wonder who's going to win this one?  The guy who everybody loathes but reads anyway and whose web site is worth almost $4 million, or Jon Gosselin?) 

Reader Comments (64)

I'm more concerned about why the kids were so afraid of going back home.

August 3, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLauren

When I 1st saw this INF video early this afternoon I thought to myself neighbors...this bar these two greedy, grifting parents use is at an all time lower low....

Then I got mad.....& I tried to think how do you get the public to wake up and smell the Monkey munch? How do parents go this low? How do they do this to 8 kids?

Then I remembered....we are after all talking about Jon & Kate. If it is a lie they are gonna live it...if it is for their own selfish needs they are gonna do it...It is what it is....sad commentary on a the DeKonstruction of a family...

Hey with 1/2 or more of all marriages ending in divorce this isn't that bad right? With unwed moms & single divorced moms going through this it is just another "Don't wanna say bye to Daddy moment."

Hell no!!! This more than that. These are 2 parents who sold their children to a company...agreed to abide by a contract & offered up their REAL lives in the name of fame & fortune....

Well, Kate & Jon your true colors are shining through...How's that High Road Route coming Kate? Gonna write a book about it? Gonna sell your children's grief, their exploited childhoods for a few more Rodeo Drive of Reading Pa tanning visits?

Lordie bee...there is a new low set...and I hope for the love of those 8 kids there is not another low...but then REALITY sets in...

August 3, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterIrene

all I ca say is I agree. The only time I ever heard this type of anguish is when working as a Public Health Nurse and being present when children were removed from a abusive home of a drug addicted mother. They screamed and pleaded in the same tone...

I have witnessed some painful "handovers" but never to the depth of pain I heard in that video.

It was NOT normal for children being returned to their "other" home during custody exchange and someone needs to investigate the reason- if it is not Kate, as an abuser, then look at the hired help.

Those children need help and I am just sick that this was recorded and placed on the internet to impact these children the rest of their lives as Werny girl so clearly points out.

If I had Murt's email I would be sending this to him.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMaura

So disturbing and horrible that I almost have no words. You would think the courts could interevene and force these two to have a neutral site for drop off/pick up...away from the glare of the paps. Kate didn't even bother to come to the gate to get the children herself, so what would be so wrong with Jon driving the van to the house and letting them out there if she's not even going to bother coming out to get them? We all know why this is not an option...because she's a narcissist who cares about nobody but her. This is a perfect example of Kate's narcissism. Of course she could and would say she wasn't even home at the time and didn't "authorize" this situation. This is exactly what she will say if pushed on the issue. All good narcissists cover their tracks. If this video gets a lot of play and ends up making Kate look bad (which it should), mark my words....she will masterfully manipulate the situation to make it look like this is Jon's fault. Don't get me wrong, Jon has his own share of blame to shoulder in this train wreck, but this particular incident is all Kate. I personally would have called her and told her to meet me at a different location to pick up the kids since they were so hysterical and upset. Get them away from the cameras and try and calm them down.

To his credit, Jon remained calm and comforted the children as best as he could given the circumstances. I think because going to another location was obviously not an option, getting out of there quickly was key as well. The longer the cameras can video and take pictures, the worse it is and the more upset the children are going to become.

This reminds me of yet another sick incident that happened with my narcissistic mother-in-law and my husband's little sister. When his parents were splitting up, one of the things they had to give up was my mother-in-law's very nice vehicle. My father-in-law gave her a courtesy call to warn her that the bank was coming to impound the car and that she had to give it to them and that he would get her another vehicle. She freaked out and when they arrived to pick up the car, she forced my husband's then 7 year old sister to lay down on the driveway behind the car so they couldn't take the vehicle!!! I wish I were joking. They had to come back at a later time to get the car, but who - other than a narcissist - would have their child do such a thing?

People who have not had intimate dealings with a narcissist - especially a mother who is one - have no idea what kind of mental and physical anguish these people cause a family. They are the world's best manipulators and they are like a wrecking ball within the family. The general public has no idea just how sick Kate is mentally. The sad thing is, narcissists are masters at covering their tracks and using smoke and mirrors that it will likely be a long time before the world sees her true colors.

These poor children have a lot of therapy in their future.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterHeather

Werney, is there something, anything, under PA law that child services could investigate? Those children were crying in terror over Jon leaving them. WHAT goes on inside that house that terrorizes them so.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLinda from N.S.

Hey WG.... does your author friend Al know anything about this Chris "pap" guy. I keep reading on different blog sites saying he is Kate's pap friend and on another its Jon's pap friend... just wondering if Al knew anything about this particular "pap" guy. Either way, i don't think it matters if its Jon's or Kate's... i think this situation has gotten out of control. And like another poster mentioned... Kate will spin this so the mud is not on her face.

This little arrangement of not allowing Jon on property to drop the kids off is ridiculous!!!! The least Kate could allow is for him to bring the kids to the front door. If Kate can't stand to be in the midst of Jon's presence then have the freakin Nanny answer the door for crying out loud! Even if they found a neutral location, there would still be "pap" people there to document it, which is why allowing him on the property to drop them off at the front door would solve this scenario. This video should never have been allowed to be taken. If i were Jon, i would have called Kate and told her that he was turning the van around and she could come back to his apt to pick the kids up.

I hope this video has made its way to the PA Dept of Children and Families or at the very least to the Judge who ruled and signed off on the agmt - if it is even part of the agmt. Afterall... this could be Kate making these rules up and until Jon calls her out on it and takes her back to court to change it, she will keep getting away w/ controlling him.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterSAHM

Hi Werny,

I am guessing that Kate, at least, has not taken the court ordered parenting classes. Do you know if either Jon or Kate have taken the classes?

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterDiane F.

Here's some previous entries that will answer some questions above:

April 27
Jon and Kate have to both take parenting classes which are mandatory for parents involved in custody disputes in Berks County, PA. The three hour class is called "Children In The Middle." Fortunately, Jon and Kate are allowed to take the class separately.

June 30
I was just talking with Al on the phone to find out what's happening with his book and I asked him if Jon visits the kids in their home, and he told me that a couple of weeks ago Kate got mad at Jon (Al thinks for introducing his new girlfriend to the kids) and forbade him from coming onto the property anymore, so she's been bringing the kids down the long driveway to the gate for him to pick them up there. Then he takes them to his apartment or they do other activities like go to the pool at his complex or a nearby park. If they stay over at his house they probably take sleeping bags and have a big sleepover in his livingroom, which sounds like a pretty fun time to me. But he's not allowed to see them in their house or on Kate's property.

August 4, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

Well, her not letting him drive the kids to the house has backfired; now all the world can see how terrified the kids are of KI.
If any sheeple can explain how a mother (also an RN, btw), can let an impacted toddler suffer while she selects furniture, I would like to hear it!
She threatened to shoot Jon for not using a coupon, remember? explain that one, too, please.
This lady is an embarrassment to humankind.
If she had the money rolling in, she would let Jon have those kids in a heartbeat. Matter of fact, I predict that when the kids become a liability, she will give them to Jon.
She can have all the money, her house as far as she can see, and Steve.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered Commentertx mom

I have updated the entry above so please scroll to the bottom of it for new information.
WG

August 4, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

Is Chris related in any way or fashion to TLC? Does he get any kind of payment (even in an indirect way) from TLC? Do you think Kate calls Chris on the phone and lets him know where she will be? For instance, it seems that a pap is always there to take Kate's photo at Target, the nail salon, UPS, tanking her car up, etc. How does Chris know where to find Kate roaming around doing her errands. Does Chris literally sit outside her home and follow her in his car? Or does Kate notifiy him? The reason a lot of people think Chris is indirectly related to TLC is because by his photographing her it promotes her tv shows. Thanks for the answers to these questions.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterelise

No, there's no connection between Chris Watts and TLC. Since the trees were installed Chris has often been the only paps who's out there anymore. There's nothing big happening and visibility has been blocked so it wouldn't be worth it to pay the paps to sit out there all day for nothing.

Since things have died down I have seen Chris parked on the curb across the road from the house rather than half a mile down the street like the paps had to when it was busier. Yes, they wait for Kate to leave and then follow her. She usually goes to her regular places a lot such as Target, Starbucks, and the soup place next to Starbucks, so it's not hard to trail her.

To my knowledge Kate does not communicate with Chris or any other paps. She can always utilize the TLC machine if she wants publicity, or TLC directs her if they want publicity, but there's no hanky panky between the paps and Kate the way there is between the paps and Jon. Jon has always appeared to understand that you have to put up with the paps if you want fame and money, whereas Kate has always been frustrated that she has to put up with the residual effects of fame. As I said in my chapter in Al's book, it's part of her narcissism.

August 4, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

I'm encouraged to see that so many parents understand the trauma that these poor kids are going through. This kind of scenario is common enough, unfortunately, in so many broken families around the country. But with the Gosselins, other factors have been added. International publicity and unrelenting child exploitation are chief among them. Historically, this has a terrible impact on children and follows them into their adult lives. It also presents physical dangers which can be long term as well. AND... it sets a precedent for other ambitious parents who see the financial benefits that can be derived from exploitation. The grim fact that the entertainment industry gets a pass from legal authorities in worse cases than this should not be taken lightly. I learned that from my researches and advocacy into the "Hounddog" incident, beginning in 2006. As I've often said since then, "Depravity- unchecked- only leads to more and greater depravity". And this, too. Hollywood's sins do not end on their doorstep. They project to our children; both psychologically and physically. The Gosselins, the Fannings, the Lohans and all other exploited children and former children are a reflection on American society... and on us.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterSteven Mark Pilling

My father married an abusive woman when he divorced my mother, and when my mother would return us to my father's house, we would cry in anguish exactly like these children are. It made me sick to my stomach. I'm not saying she is physically abusing them, but something has those children in hysterics. Jon did yell at them "ENOUGH" before he got out. Just sayin.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBettina

Al is no better.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterNot Watching TLC

Thanks for stopping by Steven. Here's a link to your blog so others may enjoy it.
http://stevenpill.xanga.com/
Is your research published somewhere? I'd love to read it. I have Hounddog in my instant queue on netflix but haven't had the heart to watch it. After reading about it on A Minor Consideration I just haven't been able to get to that point yet.

I'm with you, Bettina. Something is very wrong. The video made me feel sick.

You're right Not Watching, and Al is the first to admit it. Like he said in his book, we are all guilty. The paps, Al, me, and even you for reading here. Even those of us who are concerned and disgusted are participating by feeding the machine that we hate so much. My only hope is that we do more good than harm and that people are slowly becoming educated.

August 4, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

Perhaps someone should show this video at the Television Critics Association session with Discovery networks on Friday morning. The Learning Channel - what have you wrought?

In the meantime - I thought the custody agreement was that the children would stay in *their* house and the parents would rotate. Does Kate have the right to change this agreement? Can Jon challenge it? (can any child loving attorney help him out?)

I don't understand. For wearing fur coats, people get blood thrown at them. But Kate, for harming children, the future of our country, just walks to her tanning sessions without people even yelling at her.

Mine, all mine...
Could someone hold the bucket while I vomit?

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterPamelaJaye

If it's any consolation, Pamela, people do yell at her. : ) They yell at Jon too.

August 4, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

Here's the most recent info I've been able tofind on the custody agreement. It seems more credible than what's been said on the tabloids, and it's more recent.
http://phoenixfamilylawnews.com/2010/08/jon-and-kate-gosselin-reach-child-custody-agreement.html
Sure would like to know what the "super-secret deal" is. And also if it involves Jon and Kate and two honest respectable attorneys, or if TLC is in the mix.

August 4, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

If it's any consolation, Pamela, people do yell at her. : ) They yell at Jon too.
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Then why is that NEVER caught on camera? I would think video of people yelling at Kate would fetch a lot more money than the stupid Target/Kinkos/mani-pedi/Starbucks trips photo ops. If Chris is truly an independent photog, why doesn't he get the money shot? It is VERY difficult to believe that he is not being paid by TLC.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterheather (NOT Heather)

Werny,
Thanks for the link. I love that "super secret deal" which translated into Gosselin lingo until the EMPIRE is ready to sell it.

Steven, that Hounddog movie research you have is really well put together. I do hope someday you write a book about it. The public just doesn't know.

I know...we are all wrapped up in this story...but I just feel in my heart if we did not try to raise awareness those 8 little kids would still be on a weekly series. This Ideal Mom/Gosselin Empire has to shredded of the hypocrisy or there is no telling how much lower Kate Gosselin will be willing to take it for her own aspirations....of being what who knows???

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterIrene

No, there's no connection between Chris Watts and TLC. Since the trees were installed Chris has often been the only paps who's out there anymore. There's nothing big happening and visibility has been blocked so it wouldn't be worth it to pay the paps to sit out there all day for nothing.

Since things have died down I have seen Chris parked on the curb across the road from the house rather than half a mile down the street like the paps had to when it was busier. Yes, they wait for Kate to leave and then follow her. She usually goes to her regular places a lot such as Target, Starbucks, and the soup place next to Starbucks, so it's not hard to trail her.
_________

I also doubt that Kate "hates" the paps. If she did those trees would have been planted last summer, not this summer, there would have been ZERO picnics in the driveway, and her "predictable" routine would have varied often. She loves the pics, she's a fame whore. Other celebs seem to avoid paps just fine, but a no talent fame hack is somehow the main target for pics? Puh-leeze. Kate LOVES it. After the trees went up there were STILL pics of her prancing in her bikini and blogs about Steven and his sons being there.

I would guess the newly planted trees are to block anyone from seeing how much filming is going on/how often Steve is there, and for Kate to show Jon there is yet another barrier--now HE can't see the yard, and he isn't allowed in either. Jon has been effectively cut off from the house.

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterheather (NOT Heather)

Here is the information from Sarah Palin's official website if anyone is interested in dropping her a line. I find it hypocritical that Sarah Palin does not allow the media to criticize her kids without fighting back but she may/may not have been filming with the Gosselin kids who are constantly under the microscope of the Media.

http://www.sarahpac.com/contact

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterIrene

OMG, the video is heart wrenching. Shame on Jon for allowing this to continue. His kids obviously love him very much. I'm sure they associate comng home with having to work and being either ignored or belittled by their hateful mother. Surely this video is proof how emotionally distraught these children are in their intolerable situation. I hope this video gets some air time on the entertainment shows, etc.

I did find it odd that Jon opened the van door to allow the wails of the children to be captured on film by Chris. I don't know if that was deliberate or smart, but we get the point that these kids don't want to leave their daddy. C'mon Jon, do the right thing, or have you already sold your kids out with the super secret custody agreement?

August 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterGeorgiaMom

If people would back off, take down the nasty sites, and leave this family alone, the interest would not be there. You do not need an PHD to see Jon set this whole thing up. When he unrolled his window for the pap in the first place, there was no crying from the children. In a matter of of a couple on minutes it sounded like maybe 1 was crying, then Jon yelled and the a couple more cried. They asked him to close the door on the van and Jon played it for all its worth. This would be an interesting case for a judge to look at. Jon has pushed his revenge over the top. Although Kate has her faults, she is the parent who has the most resposibilities when taking care of the children. Within a mater of a half hour, Jon was back on twitter saying he missed his kids. He should have been calling them so see if they were ok and calmed down. I feel once and for all, the judge needs to set down the simple rules for Jon and if he pulls this crap again, off to jail he goes. I would not trust him to take care of my kids, but that is my feelings only.

August 5, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterjustamom

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