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« Child Labor Law Hearings ~ Harrisburg PA ~ 9/23/10 | Main | Kate Throws Jon Under the Bus Again »
Monday
Sep202010

This is Not Child's Play

The 9/23/10 child labor hearings taking place this week in Harrisburg have me thinking about the Gosselin children and how filming “reality” shows has impacted their young lives.  Although a few diehard Kate Gosselin fans cling desperately to the fantasy that being on television in a fake reality show is not only harmless but is actually beneficial to the children, most folks now know that not only have all of Kate’s shows been shams, but the children have been sacrificed in the process.

There are six forms of child abuse:  Physical, emotional/psychological, sexual, verbal, neglect and exploitation.  The list below is not an indictment of Kate or Jon but is intended to provide examples of various situations that the Gosselin children have experienced over the course of their being involved in entertainment.  Remember as you read this list that these things are happening to children, who do not yet have the education, maturity and experience to deal with difficult situations.  These situations would be challenging even for adults;   IMO they are abusive to children.

Physical

  • The children were filmed having a “pool party” on their sixth birthday, for the benefit of the cameras, in 47 degree weather.
  • Unregulated hours of work, dependent on what the producers need, not whether the children are tired, hungry or don’t want to work anymore.
  • Having to continue to work while vomiting or otherwise sick.  (Under what other circumstances would anyone – even adults – be forced to continue working under these conditions?)
  • Filming involves retakes, wearing fake happy smiles and staying clean and presentable at all times, plus lots of the “hurry up and wait” always involved in filming of any kind.  This is not “I work while the children play,” as one parent has repeatedly claimed.  This is hard, tedious, boring work.

Emotional/Psychological

  • Coming downstairs and being surprised by beautifully wrapped gifts, and enjoying the thrill and excitement of Christmas, only to be told after the filming stopped that it wasn’t really Christmas after all, and that the whole scenario had been faked for the TV show.
  • Years of invasions of privacy including cameras in the house, cameras following you  around, paparazzi following you around, seeing your pictures on magazines and in the media, and everyone who meets you, including kids your own age, knowing who you are and all sorts of embarrassing things about you.
  • The bullying and taunts that are routinely experienced by anyone on TV, but probably more so in this case because it’s called Reality TV so many viewers actually think it accurately reflects the children, and the children are shown in embarrassing, humiliating situations.
  • Being put into the painful position where you have to choose between your parents, due to being used as a pawn in situations like the kids having to meet a parent at the gate because the other parent will not allow him on the property.
  • Being subjected to repeated subtle (and not so subtle) comments from one parent putting down the other in public venues.
  • Growing up learning that your needs and feelings are not as important as money
  • Having your work, over which you have no control, repeatedly described by a parent as play, as in "I work, they play while the cameras are rolling."

Neglect

  • Children being left alone with cameramen and others associated with the productions in areas such as bathrooms, bedrooms and woods without parental or adult caretaker supervision.  These adults are not given criminal background checks and child abuse clearances which are readily available, cheap, confidential and legally required of all child care centers and other work situations where children are in the care of adults other than their parents.  Why would a television production company that prides itself on being family-friendly not utilize these easily-accessible safeguards when working with children?  There are no deficits to doing so, and doing so would only make them look more professional, conscientious and caring toward the families they contract with.
  • Missing school and normal childhood activities, and disruption of normal childhood relationships, due to traveling and filming.
  • Losing a series of adults whom they’ve grown to love and bonded with, because the adults were concerned or spoke out against what was happening or because a parent resented those caretakers becoming too famous or earning too good of a living while working with the children.
  • One parent gone for long periods of time, leaving children with nannies rather than the other parent. 

Exploitation

  • No regulations about income.  Who knows how much the children have had set aside for them, if anything?  As recently as last month Kate stated she was worried about their college educations, despite the TV Guide claim that Kate makes $200,000 per episode of Kate Plus 8.
  • The children have said at various times over the years that they do not want to film, yet filming them continues to provide family income.
  • The children have been filmed having their diapers changed, going to the bathroom, in all manner of dress and undress, constipated, and vomiting, for entertainment of the audience.  The children are way too young to be capable of consent to having these personal aspects of their lives filmed and sold. *
  • Endangering the children by driving with them in the vehicle, up to 95 miles per hour in order to evade paparazzi, and driving at high speed at night with the vehicle lights off in order to be able to escape paparazzi.
  • Experiences that would normally create happy memories for the children, such as being given crooked play houses, or even going to the store with a parent, are created for entertainment rather than being freely given to the children without ulterior motive, thus tarnishing what should be normal, private family experiences.  (Children are not cute little puppies.)

My list is only a preliminary one which I was able to come up with in a brief amount of time.  There are many more examples of ways the children have been hurt in the process of being involved with reality TV.  Leave examples and links in comments and I’ll add them to this list as the week goes on.  (I know those of you who watched the shows can come up with lots of them for verbal abuse.)   In keeping with this week’s child labor laws hearings, examples should be specifically caused by the children being involved in entertainment.

Obviously, not all of the above issues can be addressed through proper legislation.  The bottom line is parents need to make their kids, not income provided by their kids, a priority.  We can legislate how many hours of work adults are allowed to squeeze out of minors, but we can’t legislate human values and integrity such as privacy or parents being empathic toward their children.

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Additions provided by commenters:

Verbal

Kate announces dinner ... one of the twins goes by and makes a comment and Kate says something not nice along the lines of "living with this child on a daily basis".  (Mickey McKean, 9/22)

Kate threatened the kids with "severe punishment" if they stepped foot in her bedroom. (Tizzie, 9/23)

In an early episode the mother yelled at the kids about upstairs vs downstairs toys, and threw a large toy down the stairs, almost hitting one of the twins.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

Both parents on many occasions made fun of things the kids said or did on the show, particularly when they were eating something.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

The mother saying everything she does is "for the kids" when in fact she cares more about buying / doing things for herself than them.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

While other families have to downsize their home to something more affordable, the mother lives in a McMansion and complains about how "poor" she is.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

The mother did nothing but yell at the kids when back to school shopping (available on YouTube) and barked out orders. She totally took the fun out of shopping for those new clothes and back to school items.  (GeorgiaMom, 9/23)

The mother pinching a female tup and telling her she could DIE because she licked Purell off hands.  (Wonky, 9/24)

The mother accusing a twin of lying on camera about requesting a milkshake in NYC.  (Wonky, 9/24)

Exploitation

In the episode from 2009, when they first brought the kids to the new house, one of the older girls hit one of the little girls until she was on the ground, then proceeded to kick her.  Jon nor Kate weren't there and a camera and sound person, at least, were present to film the fight, but did not interfere in anyway.  (Lee, 9/20)

The vow renewal and fake re-wedding when they were already in the process of separation. The children were told Mommy and Daddy will be together forever, so their feelings were manipulated, just to sell a show.  (GrandmaC, 9/21)

The cameras filming the children all night long, even as they slept, just in case wonderful, entertaining moments like bed-wetting or night terrors occurred.  (Virginia Pen Mom, 9/21 ) *

Their parents' divorce was a ratings ploy for the kids' 5th birthday party episode. (CynSP, 9/21)

Mady rolling around on the basement floor with just a producer and a cameraman present, potty shots, and Hannah nude as a toddler.  (Konspiracytheory 9/22) *

Trying to lead people to believe that the children are not working.  (Heather, 9/22)

The kids were filmed changing into their gymnastics outfits.  No nudity, but I recall thinking the twins were way too old to be shown that way (never mind the little ones).  (Konspiracytheory, 9/23) *

All of the kids' embarrassing moments are filmed, and they get no say in what is shown and what is cut. However the mother's embarrassing moments get shown once and then are edited out at her request.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

Whenever one of the kids cries, the camera zooms in on their face.  (Tizzie, 9/23) *

Emotional

When one of the twins and one of the younger girls both ran to Kate, one seeking justice and the other to cover up her crime of hitting the other, Kate ignored the allegations of a beat-down, and instead reprimanded the little one for offending the twin.  Kate failed to respond appropriately to one child striking another, effectively reinforcing instead of correcting the behavior.  (Lee, 9/20)

How about Kate berating that poor little boy by threatening to throw out his blanket (gumgate).   He was nearly hysterical.  (Linda 9/21)

How about Kate in NYC threatening to leave Cara behind with strangers.  (Linda, 9/21)

Then there was Kate telling poor little Aiden to stop complaining and be a man.  (Linda, 9/21)

Private body parts of Jon & Kate are publicly discussed  and shown in the media.  There's a legacy for the kids that includes thousands of pictures, stories, videos, etc. discussing the parents' "enhancements", body parts, wardrobe, life styles, friend choices, bodyguards and so on.  (sftk, 9/21)

Kate kicking the only real family these children have out of their lives and telling herself and the children that the film crew is their family.   (Barbara, 9/21)

One of the twins was humiliated when the clearly-favored, younger children received yet another fancy, expensive birthday party. The twin said, "I'll just die!"  (Virginia Pen Mom, 9/21)

Their father isn't allowed to come inside their property (it is their house...they earned it!) gate to pick them up or drop them off.  (CynSP, 9/21)

Mother making one of the tup girls sleep in the basement, alone.  (Bettina, 9/21)

The mother telling the kids not to listen to their father.  (txmom, 9/21)

One of the twins is having some sort of tantrum, mother yells at father to do something with her, then predicts on camera she will be a horrible teenager.  (txmom, 9/21)

Buying the kids dogs and then sending them back after filming was finished.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Setting the kids up for failure / competition:   K8 never cooks the kids a hot meal but when Cara and Mady play "mommy for a day" she gives them a challenging recipe (for their age.)  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Mother not participating on any of the boys' special days. (Lordybee, 9/21)

Mother's constant berating and demoralizing behavior towards the father.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Hundreds of YouTube videos and online groups that attack one of the twins.  (Lordybee, 9/21)

The Kate + 8 episode re the six pack's 6th birthday, where the kids were now in Florida and celebrating yet another "party" a week later and Mady does not understand why "they get 3 parties and we (twins) only get one day" and in the same episode Mady is feeling so ignored that she said, "nobody cares about me ... I just want to die".  (Mickey McKean, 9/22)

Their mother favors the girls and called the boys "icky".  (Mickey McKean 9/22)

On the Internet, adults with no formal education have not only labeled a twin's personality problems as fact, but have gone so far as to feel sorry for Jon and Kate to have a child like her.  The twin can google her own name and find web sites that bash her personality.  (Mickey McKean, 9/22)

In early August 2009 it was reported in the tabloids that per the father some of his kids were rebelling about being filmed - which kids were not identified - but the mother said on Larry King Live the show would continue.   (Mickey Mckean, 9/23)

For the record the mother did mention in this dairy farm episode that the twins were upset that they were not included on this day trip because they were in school that day. So, were the twins not included in this episode because they no longer wanted to be filmed or was it because they were in school and were unavailable to work?  It should be noted that this dairy farm episode was the last one to be filmed by TLC before the father stopped all filming of his children on October 1, 2009.  (Mickey McKean, 9/23)

It seems that unless it is filmed for a show, the Gosselin children do not get to participate in any outside fun activies such as taking gymnastic classes because it is too much trouble. One could say that their fishbowl world is all about home, school, and work.  No playing allowed!  (Mickey McKean, 9/23)

There has been no evidence that the kids do ANYTHING unless the TLC cameras are there. Where is Kate driving them to music lesson? Softball? Gymnastics? To a friend's house?  The father taking them horseback riding? Etc.? Nothing. No TMZ, radaronline reports or photos, and you know ROL would've jumped at the chance to promote Kate as a hands-on, do-it-myself mom.  (heather (NOT Heather), 9/23)

There is photographic evidence that the kids have felt "abused" by all the paparazzi attention and are trying to show the world that they want it to stop.  On several occasions a boy tup has been photographed hiding his face with his jacket or hands, a second boy tup did the same thing in New York City, a third boy tup made a face and pointed at the pap at an airport, and then at the father's apartment 3 kids hid under a beach towel.  (Mickey McKean, 9/23)

The mother does not allow the kids to do normal kid things because she doesn't want them to get their clothes dirty or stained, because then she can't sell them later.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

The mother says she's all about "making memories" but she threw away the kids' memory boxes.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

The mother cleaned out the twins' room while they were at school, and threw their stuff down the stairs.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

Buying the kids a treat and then the mother snatching it away from them because it's dripping or sticky.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

All of the children are not allowed to express opinions, to become individual persons, to grow up. It looks like the mother is trying to keep the clock from moving forward to continue to cash in.  (GeorgiaMom, 9/23)

The mother forcing the father to give up his job against his will so he could babysit kids while the mother and bodyguard went on book tour, and them the mother not allowing the husband or kids to call her while she was on the book tour.  (Wonky, 9/24)

The mother's commonly-known nickname for the father was "stubby," in derogotory reference to a private part of his body.  (Werny Gal, 9/26/0)

Neglect

Adults (in the past it seemed to be always men on the crew) get in the kids faces with their equipment, but don't interact, respond or even prevent injury as the kids have meltdowns, injuries, get sick, or physically fight with each other. (Lee, 9/20) 

The lack of physical affection from the mother toward the kids.  (sftk, 9/21) and (Pat, 9/21)

An episode where one of the sextuplets was beating the other over the head with a toy repeatedly. Again, this stuff happens, it's kids growing up, HOWEVER, any normal adult at the very least would've yelled "Knock it off!!"  But the film kept rolling.  (heather-NOT-Heather, 9/21)

Not giving the kids sea sickness pills before the fishing trip, and taking them out w/o a change of cloths or sweat shirts - it's always colder a few miles out on the ocean and if you run into fog, freezing.  (Pat, 9/21)

Keeping the kids "babyish" - sippy cups, high chairs, not ensuring they learn age appropriate skills.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Mady rolling around on the basement floor with just a producer and a cameraman present.  Potty shots, Hannah nude as a toddler.  (Konspiracytheory, 9/22) *

The children are repeatedly around and alone with people whose background had not been cleared.  This is an easy step of precaution for them to take.  (Heather, 9/22) *

The fishing episode:  Life jackets - required or not - should have been insisted upon by their mother for their own safety.   (Heather, 9/22)

The six pack who are starting kindergarten still do not know how to tie their shoes which is why the mother bought them tennis shoes with velcro straps.   (Mickey McKean, 9/22)

In order to have the six pack available to film a reality TV show, in August 2009 at age 5 years 3 months they were enrolled in pre-kindergarten classes that were only held 3 days a week.  In August 2010 the six pack at age 6 years 3 months started kindergarten classes.  This means that they will be driving when they are freshmen in high school and will be 19 years old when they graduate from high school.  Many viewers believe if the mother had taken the time to teach these children age appropriate things instead of trying to keep them as young as possible to make them marketable for a TV show, these six children could have been enrolled in regular kindergarten at the appropriate ages.  (The episode where the six pack walked to the neighbor's dairy was shot mid week after school started. It should be noted that this episode could not have been filmed during the week if the six pack had been enrolled in regular kindergarten classes.)  (MIckey McKean, 9/23)

There was an episode where the mother decided she was going to hire a nanny.  The mother went to an agency that specializes in nannies and Kate had either the owner or a manager do an initial interview with the candidate while the mother was watching the interview in an adjoining room on closed circuit TV.   Only if the mother was impressed with the initial interview did she choose to meet and interview the candidate herself.   Discovery Channel was recently reminded that there are nuts out there - so doesn't it make sense to pay $15 per employee background check before something happens to someone's child and the finger is pointing at your employee(s)?   And aren't the lives of these eight children worth the parents paying for some background checks at $15 each if TLC will not do it?  (Mickey Mckean, 9/23)

Letting kids run like monkeys and out of eyesight while in department store.  (Wonky, 9/24)

Letting kids play with and fight over large display Croc in crowded display area of shoe dept while she tried on shoes.  (Wonky, 9/24)

The mother allowing kids to melt down from hunger on regular basis. ie: at dairy farm, kids were so hungry they drank several cups of chocolate milk each.   The mother then counted the milk as a meal and did not feed them dinner later that night.  (Wonky, 9/24)

The mother ignoring kids' squabbles, or shooing them off as they try to explain a problem (locked out of bedroom in Party City episode) so she can continue talking to the camera.  (Wonky, 9/24)

Physical

The filming of a boy tup's impacted bowels while his mother was completely immersed in choosing freebie bunk beds.  (Irene, 9/21) *

Boy tup being placed on laundry room floor because he has vomited on his new comforter- the mother exits, turning off lights & closing door - Leaving sick vomiting child alone laying on the floor in a dark windowless room - the father came home from work, rescued boy from laundry room floor.  (Susie, 9/21)

When dropping kids off at their church Sunday school, girl tup starts gagging - the mother yells"don't you vomit on so & so"- then the mother says to camera, "girl tup vomits when upset."   The mother then continues talking to the camera saying she (the mother) makes her daughter wear vomitus clothes the rest of the day as punishment, to break this habit.  (Susie, 9/21)

The clearly unhappy kids were taken out deep sea fishing without wearing life jackets and dragged around New York during a heat emergency for hours upon hours, for filming.  (CynSP, 9/21)

The mother's rough handling of the kids when she would brush their teeth in the middle of the kitchen.  All I could think of, was ouch, she was tearing out their gums.  (Pat, 9/21)

Cupcake episode, and denying a thirsty twin water.  (txmom, 9/21)

Kids had to endure a Good Housekeeping photo shoot wearing heavy fall clothing ( it was for a Thanksgiving cover) in August when the temp was over 90 degrees.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Extra bright stage lights installed in the home.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Buying the kids dogs and then sending them back after filming was finished.  (Lordybee, 9/21)

Keeping the kids "babyish" - sippy cups, high chairs, not ensuring they learn age appropriate skills.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Setting the kids up for failure / competition :  the mother never cooks the kids a hot meal but when the twins play "mommy for a day" she gives them a challenging recipe (for their age.)  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Mother not participating on any of the boys' special days. (LordyBee, 9/21)

Mother constantly berates and demoralizes husband in front of kids and on camera.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Kids witness mother's lies and deceit and must keep them a secret.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Hundreds of YouTube videos and groups that attack one of the twins.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

How about the wooden spoon in the door of the van, and the big red spoon seen in several episodes (lying on the kitchen counter, tucked under the father's arm as he yelled at a flinching twin)... the Thomas the Tank Engine epi, where a twin flinches when her angry father approaches her.   Also, the father's 'walk in the woods' epi where one of the girl tups flinches when he angrily breaks a walking stick and hurls it into the woods...Then there's the infamous interview with the mother with the double whammy of denying a twin water and pinching a female tup to make her sit still.  The mother steering the boy tups by their heads, the mother forcing the tups in general to hold their arm directly upright while holding her hand (clearly showing them that she is in control).   The mother lifting the baby tups out of their cribs by their arms, the father taking them out of the van in the same manner, the mother recently chucking one of the boy tups out of the van (school bus photo op), the mother 'mashing' a boy top's mouth at the bus stop.  (Konspiracytheory, 9/22)

A guard at Seseme Place told them it was 113 degrees that day.  In the mother's words: "it was dangerously hot," and  "We're not water park people."   The kids had to settle for 'fun' in the sweltering heat on the few non-water rides there (they have added more since this was filmed - we've been many times), then indoor lunch and an indoor show (thank goodness), only then to be followed by a brief time at the end where they were allowed to do the water stuff because it took them "two hours" (the mother's words) to get them in and out of their swim stuff.  (Konspiracytheory 9/23)

The mother waiting over a week to make a doctors appt for a twin to address her hurt foot and blaming the ex-husband for not doing it even though she had custody of the twin for several days herself before calling the doctor.  (Wonky, 9/24)

One staffer told the media how the mother would smack her children with a large, plastic spoon when they refused to play nice for the camera and when they misbehave.   (Tizzie, 9/25)

When one of the boys closed a door on another one once, the mother got in their faces and yelled, 'You tell me the truth about what happened!' The children just stood there, terrified. Then she dragged one of the boys into the bathroom and spanked him five or six times with a large plastic mixing spoon. You could hear the mother forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs.  (Tizzie, 9/25)

About the above two incidents:  The source claimed that this happened more than once but the mother didn't want any of it in the show.  (Tizzie, 9/25)

Yard scenes were filmed when it was very cold outside, it was not shot in the fall or spring.   Before the scenes could be shot the lawn first had to have all snow removed and then the grass was spray painted green in order to make the white sign really "pop".    It took a lot of time to film these scenes - it took a lot of retakes - but the children were not allowed to wear jackets because it would not be "visually pleasing".    They were wearing long sleeved shirts, but not the jackets that would be required of weather than was the 32 degrees or less that is required for snow in PA.  (Mickey McKean, 9/25)

An eye witness on Sunday Sept 26 described the children being hounded by fans on a visit with their father and his girlfriend at a nearby arcade.  The witness said adults and children were trying to get near the kids by taking their pictures, ignoring the father and girlfriend when they tried to make them stop. Even in the ball pit area there were kids talking to the kids about the show; the kids looked uncomfortable.   (Mickey Mckean, 9/26)

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Reader Comments (86)

Werny Gal, here's an example for the physical abuse category. I was so disturbed by this scene, that I stopped watching the show, in earnest, shortly after it aired. In the episode from 2009, when they first brought the kids to the new house, one of the older girls hit one of the little girls until she was on the ground, then proceeded to kick her. Jon nor Kate were nearby to stop and discipline the older child or console and nurture the little one. Meanwhile, a camera and sound person, at least, were present to film the fight, but did not interfere in anyway. When the girls both ran to Kate, one seeking justice and the other to cover up her crime, Kate ignored the allegations of a beat-down, and instead reprimanded the little one for offending the twin. [I left names out because no one should know of these private family dramas] Now that I think of it, maybe it should be filed under psychological abuse; adults were there who, under any other circumstances, would have put an immediate end to the fight and spoke to Jon & Kate on behalf of the little girl, but because of the show, they unnaturally stood by passively and did nothing. It was a creepy glimpse into what it must be like with those cameras around. These grown men (in the past it seemed to be always men on the crew) get in the kids faces with their equipment, but don't interact, respond or even prevent injury. I imagine it must be quite unnerving to attempt to go about one's normal activities with such a presence, never mind to have said presence stand by and do nothing if I was being physically bullied or was hurt.
It is also troubling that Kate failed to respond appropriately to one child striking another, effectively reinforcing instead of correcting the behavior.
Sorry for the lengthy tangent, but this is my personal tipping point with the Gosselin's poor parenting and the dangers of the show, and it surprises me that it is rarely added to lists of worst moments.

September 20, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLee

I didn't see that one, Lee, but it sounds horrific. Funny how Kate always makes it sound like the cameramen are friends and the kids just love them, but their job is to remain outside that invisible third wall. Work obviously comes first because any responsible adult, especially a friend, would stop that behavior immediately. Instead it was turned into entertainment for millions. How sad is that?

This relates to how the producers are able to get away with not having child abuse clearances and criminal background checks for crew and on-site staff. You are only required to have the clearances if your work involves the caretaking of children. Therefore, if you're a cameraman, caterer, sound technician or anything else other than a paid caregiver, you don't have to have the clearances.

The kids just can't win in this situation.

September 20, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

WernyGal - great post! I pray the labor hearings will do some good, as much as I pray that these children will finally find some peace and that their parents will be given an epiphany and will finally realize how truly blessed they are and will fall down on their knees in thanks.

Off topic - DWTS ROCKED tonight!

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered Commentersilimom

This is simply an excellent post!

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterNancyB

How about Kate berating that poor little boy by threatening to throw out his blanket (gumgate). He was nearly hysterical.
How about Kate in NYC threatening to leave Cara behind with strangers.
Then there was Kate telling poor little Aiden to stop complaining and be a man.
There are too many to list.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLinda in NS

WG.... Do you know if the hearing will be televised like the last time???? I can't seem to find it. Thanks.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered Commentermary

http://www.realitytvkids.com/2010/08/flashback-no-1-collin-is-constipated-on.html

The filming of Collin Gosselin's impacted bowels while his mother was completely immersed in choosing freebie bunk beds.

Thanks for the awareness Werny...it is just so true we do not know the long term effects of the filming of these 8 children. As awareness keeps seeping out though & more emphasis on how this could possibly effect the kids maybe better protections and safeguards will be put in place so that we have no more poster children.

It is my belief that if we keep talking about the kids we can break through the PR machine that made 200 Million dollars off of children. Children whose loss of privacy, destruction of their family, and images all over the internet forever...may never recover no matter how much is in their college fund.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-05-28/news/bs-ae-zontv-children-reality-20100526_1_kate-plus-eight-gosselins-child-labor-laws/3


Neighbors have a great week and please on Thursday Sept 23rd...think about the kids and google Rep Thomas Murts website for updates on HB 2515...a bill for kids, about kids, to protect kids...

http://www.repmurt.com/

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterIrene

I just cannot put into words the fact that private body parts of Jon & Kate are even discussed' let alone the pictures Kate and Jon pose for. I cannot imagine any benefits that provides for the kids. Maybe we as a society have "dumbed down" to the lowest denominator as far as morals go but I am still embarrassed by it. Maybe the kids will not realize it as it seems to be the norm, but I would never want to leave a legacy for my kids that includes thousands of pictures, stories, videos, etc. discussing my "enhancements", body parts, wardrobe,, life styles, friend choices, bodyguards and so on.
The fact that I could be sitting in my home with TV on, chatting with my parents or a friend and a program like ET comes on and praises how wonderful Kate looks like in her "I worked hard for this body and I deserve it" fake photos just does not sit right with me. Of course, I have avoided that scenario by not watching TV much. In fact, only a few hours a week for a few selected programs, and no TLC at all!
I just cannot imagine the damage done to this family by the "put me first" mother. I so hope the hearings help put an end to parents using their children to advance their lifestyle.
I hope we get the cameras out of their lives and stop others from doing the same.
One other observation, as a mother myself, I noticed right from the start, the lack of physical affection Kate never seemed to show to the kids. I remember always having to physically hug, kiss, touch my kids whenever I was with them. If I was sitting down they were always within "snuggling" distance and my husband and I were always watching TV, or reading to them with our arms around them. Such wonderful memories, even in Church, sitting with them on our laps, or they would snuggle up to us as they got older. It just seemed so natural to wake them up with a smile, holding hands while walking, just being close. I don't get the "vibes" that Kate is a warmhearted mother. Maybe she does not have it in her. I don't think she has the instinct to handle a large family and too bad she didn't realize that before she intentionally got pregnant.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered Commentersftk

How about adding the vow renewal and fake re-wedding. The children were told Mommy and Daddy will be together forever... I guess forever isn't very long.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterGrandmaC

Great Post Werny Gal. I love how you have links posted to back up your statements. If all this abuse happens with cameras and witnesses, I cannot imagine what happens to these children behind closed doors alone with Kate. They rarely ever look happy or excited to be with her, just fearful of her next outburst. I gave up the show years ago, because of all the yelling and screaming, and it wasn't all from the children. She never does show genuine affection for her kids, never gets down to their eye level to play or correct an action, everything seems so forced. I think the kids do feel real love when they are with their father. In the divorce he should have kept the old house for himself, wasn't it his father's money that helped them get their first house. I wish he had better lawyers from the start of their split and had his head on better. Kate will learn the hard way, when she is truly alone, because as the children get older and can voice their choices, they will not choose to live with her, they will have nightmares about their childhood. When the kids do reports in school about family history or their ancestors, they are going to raise questions about their grandparents, aunts uncles. Someone said that Jon plays an active role a the kids school, I believe it. Kate has never once mentioned, in an interview, going to the school to watch a performance or game or to spend an afternoon reading to the kids. You we know that if she did, she would be bragging about it. She relishes the fact that her kids are gone from 6:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. daily. With a schedule like that, why does she choose to"run" for the photographers at diner hour. Even though they are not a two parent household, they are still a family, it's a shame she can't be bothered with a family routine of diner, homework and bedtime routine that would give the kids a secure, loving feeling. I hope Jon is spending his days getting ready for the upcoming court date. There is a ton of evidence that Kate is not a fit parent or role model, especially to the girls.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterPat

I would add the example about the fight under neglect--it's two-fold. The children were left alone with TLC crew members, which is an issue, BUT the second issue is that the crew were NOT responsible for the children's safety, only for filming or setting up the shot, and situations where any other right-minded adult would've stepped in to stop it, the crew Just.Kept.Filming.

I remember another episode where one of the sextuplets was beating the other over the head with a toy repeatedly. Again, this stuff happens, it's kids growing up, HOWEVER, any normal adult at the very least would've yelled "Knock it off!!" But the film kept rolling.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterheather (NOT Heather)

Something I noticed today - there just isn't a lot of traffic on GWOP or 15 minutes, which I personally think is a positive trend. I love those sites, it's just that less traffic means less people are talking about Kate which means Kate is less relevant. The less relevant she becomes, the sooner Kate + 8 is off the air.

Or, it's the calm before the storm and it will be announced she's on some new reality show like "Celebrity Apprentice" or "Celebrity Survivor" or something like that. Which frankly I don't care about. If Trump or Mark Burnett want to give her a job, more power to them. I don't like that Kate saturates the media, but frankly as long as the kids aren't involved, fine.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered Commentersilimom

Boy tup(Aden?) being placed on laundry room floor because he has vomited on his new comforter-Kate exits, turning off lights & closing door-Leaving sick vomiting child alone laying on the floor in a dark windowless room-Jon came home from work,rescued boy from laundry room floor--

Whe dropping kids off at their church Sunday school , Alexis(?) starts gagging-Kate yells"don't you vomit on so & so"--Kate says to camera, girl tup vomits when upset-She(Kate) continues talking to camera saying she(Kate)makes her wear vomitus clothes the rest of the day as punishment/to break this habit-

Both of these were filmed & shown in episodes of J&K

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterSusie

I agree, great post WG.
I can't help but wonder if the kids will always have that feeling that they are being watched.
I was wondering if you knew about the Gosselin court hearing scheduled for November.
Here is the link and article.
Have a great day!

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=248729

The latest scoop on the Gosselins

I've got the scoop - and I'm willing to give it away for free.

Back in April, I received requests from celebrity websites offering to pay me for the latest information on the television celebrity ex-couple Kate and Jon Gosselin's custody case. That never happened.

Just out of curiosity, I checked the court docket recently. The Gosselin case is scheduled for a custody trial Nov. 30. I doubt the trial will be open to the public. Judge Timothy Rowley on July 12 sealed the record in the case.

Regardless if the hearing is open or closed, I anticipate the paparazzi will soon land outside the Berks County Courthouse.

Never a dull moment.

- Holly Herman
reporter

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLauren

OMGoodness, Lee, I had forgotten that episode, but now that you reminded me I can vividly see the twin kicking the little one and then the little one being reprimanded -- which honestly could happen in any family accidentally -- BUT for the camera people who are supposedly FAMILY (what a joke) to stand there and film this and not say anything while the innocent one was being punished is just beyond words. And has anyone thought that even IF, and that's a huge IF, the Murt hearings were to make it mandatory to have a teacher on site while filming, how Kate would treat them. There is NO WAY on this planet that Kate would allow that person to have any say at all. And for some unknown reason, since she always wins -- no matter what -- I'm sure she would get away with it.

Thanks Lee, for reminding us of a truly horrific example of what this show is actually about. And that by Kate kicking the only real family these children have out of their lives and telling herself and the children that the film crew is their family how delusional this whole sad fiasco really is. The full ramifications of the damage being done to these children won't be realized for years, but it is going to be so bad. Hopefully we won't be subjected to their therapy sessions. And another tragedy that is fairly common in teens is suicide. I'm sure some of these children could be taunted and tortured enough by others to resort to that. How can anyone, and especially a mother, subject her kids to this and delude herself to the possibilities of what might come as a result of their lifestyle. Can the almighty dollar and fame really be worth it? Really? Seriously? I swear I don't get it. And for the fans who support this for their own selfish entertainment?

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBarbara

EXCELLENT, Werny Gal! I haven't even finished reading, but your pointing these out and cataloging them in a form that can be a part of Thursday's hearing (hopefully) is superb. Thank you!

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterVirginia Pen Mom

You mentioned filiming in the bedroom. Weren't the cameras filming the children all night long, even as they slept? Just in case wonderful, entertaining moments like bed-wetting or night terrors occurred, I suppose.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterVirginia Pen Mom

Sorry to keep filling up your box, Werny, but what about when one of the twins was humiliated when the clearly-favored, younger children received yet another fancy, expensive birthday party. The twin (will omit her name) said, "I'll just die!"

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterVirginia Pen Mom

Great post! The kids were also taken out deep sea fishing (I believe that was the planned activity du jour) without wearing life jackets, dragged around New York during a heat emergency for hours upon hours, their father isn't allowed to come inside their property (it is their house...they earned it!) gate to pick them up or drop them off, the use of their parents' divorce as a ratings ploy for the kids' 5th birthday party episode and of course the fake wedding vows in Hawaii to show the kids that they will be together forever when they were already in the process of separation. I could name several more, but it is nothing new. The funny part is that Kate isn't intelligent enough to at least attempt to keep her lies straight, which is unfortunate and sad because any way you look at it, it is ultimately those poor children that suffer the consequences. She sold her family's soul to TLC-AKA the devil with a big fat price tag on each of their heads. Such a shame that she can't even appreciate the fact that she is blessed with eight healthy children!

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterCynSP

How about making Alexis sleep in the basement, alone? That one has always bothered me.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBettina

Thanks everyone for your wonderful contributions. I'm at work now but will add them in an addendum to my list when I get home tonight. I also have word from a credible source that one of the items in my list is incorrect so I'll be editing that. You guys is da bomb!

September 21, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

Colin was constipated. Impacted bowels require surgery and hospitalization.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterimpacted bowels are deadly

I contacted Winner Party Boat - that was the name on the shirts of the crew from the vomitus fishing trip. (I don't watch, got it on Youtube.)
"Thank you for your interest in the Winner Party Boat Fleet. We do not require nor does the US Coast Guard require children to wear lifejackets on board our size vessel. We do have a lifejacket for every person including children lifejackets available in the event of an emergency. Our jackets are not comfortable to wear out of the water."

Kate as a nurse/mother is an idiot not to give her kids sea sick pills before the trip. And what fool goes out w/o a change of cloths or sweat shirts - it's always colder a few miles out on the ocean and if you run into fog, freezing.

I agree with the poster that mentions Kate rough handling of the kids when she would brush their teeth in the middle of the kitchen. All I could think of, was ouch, she was tearing out their gums. These do seem to have a lot of cavities, guess its all the free juice and lack of milk, because she can't afford it.

How about all the pictures of her feeding the kids - you can count the allotted number of grapes, and crackers, and that's supposed to be a meal. I think a lot of their bad behavior is because they are hungry and she limits their food. There is something quite wrong in her head as a mother.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterPat

Cupcake episode, and denying Mady water. How about the ep where she tells the kids not to listen to their father.....seems like I recall her being really hateful about Mady during the follow-up visit to the Ronald McDonald house, Mady is having some sort of tantrum, Kate yells at Jon to do something with her, says something about what a horrible teenager she will be..I don't remember the exact words, but as a mother of SIX daughters, it was a breaking point with me concerning this shrew.

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered Commentertxmom

Werny Gal, This is slightly OT, but I would love your opinion on this. What do you make of the Facebook pages Clairissa Kreider Mertz created for Kate, "I'm Voting for Kate Gosselin in Life!" Have you seen it? She and her mother, Charlene Kreider are posting all the time, saying how great Kate is and telling people when the show is on. Neither of them EVER make ANY mention of their 8 nieces/nephews and grandkids. This is profoundly disturbing to me. Clairissa even has a section in there about how she is planning to write an organic cookbook (Kate's never made it, as we know). But what is wrong with these two? The entire Kreider family seems to be profoundly mentally ill or have a deeply embedded personality disorder as a family. Why would Charlene and Clairissa do this? Supposedly, Kate has cut all ties with them. Am I really out of it? I just cannot understand their motivation. It's horrific. Can you offer a professional opinion?

September 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMerette

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