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« Child Labor Law Hearings ~ Harrisburg PA ~ 9/23/10 | Main | Kate Throws Jon Under the Bus Again »
Monday
Sep202010

This is Not Child's Play

The 9/23/10 child labor hearings taking place this week in Harrisburg have me thinking about the Gosselin children and how filming “reality” shows has impacted their young lives.  Although a few diehard Kate Gosselin fans cling desperately to the fantasy that being on television in a fake reality show is not only harmless but is actually beneficial to the children, most folks now know that not only have all of Kate’s shows been shams, but the children have been sacrificed in the process.

There are six forms of child abuse:  Physical, emotional/psychological, sexual, verbal, neglect and exploitation.  The list below is not an indictment of Kate or Jon but is intended to provide examples of various situations that the Gosselin children have experienced over the course of their being involved in entertainment.  Remember as you read this list that these things are happening to children, who do not yet have the education, maturity and experience to deal with difficult situations.  These situations would be challenging even for adults;   IMO they are abusive to children.

Physical

  • The children were filmed having a “pool party” on their sixth birthday, for the benefit of the cameras, in 47 degree weather.
  • Unregulated hours of work, dependent on what the producers need, not whether the children are tired, hungry or don’t want to work anymore.
  • Having to continue to work while vomiting or otherwise sick.  (Under what other circumstances would anyone – even adults – be forced to continue working under these conditions?)
  • Filming involves retakes, wearing fake happy smiles and staying clean and presentable at all times, plus lots of the “hurry up and wait” always involved in filming of any kind.  This is not “I work while the children play,” as one parent has repeatedly claimed.  This is hard, tedious, boring work.

Emotional/Psychological

  • Coming downstairs and being surprised by beautifully wrapped gifts, and enjoying the thrill and excitement of Christmas, only to be told after the filming stopped that it wasn’t really Christmas after all, and that the whole scenario had been faked for the TV show.
  • Years of invasions of privacy including cameras in the house, cameras following you  around, paparazzi following you around, seeing your pictures on magazines and in the media, and everyone who meets you, including kids your own age, knowing who you are and all sorts of embarrassing things about you.
  • The bullying and taunts that are routinely experienced by anyone on TV, but probably more so in this case because it’s called Reality TV so many viewers actually think it accurately reflects the children, and the children are shown in embarrassing, humiliating situations.
  • Being put into the painful position where you have to choose between your parents, due to being used as a pawn in situations like the kids having to meet a parent at the gate because the other parent will not allow him on the property.
  • Being subjected to repeated subtle (and not so subtle) comments from one parent putting down the other in public venues.
  • Growing up learning that your needs and feelings are not as important as money
  • Having your work, over which you have no control, repeatedly described by a parent as play, as in "I work, they play while the cameras are rolling."

Neglect

  • Children being left alone with cameramen and others associated with the productions in areas such as bathrooms, bedrooms and woods without parental or adult caretaker supervision.  These adults are not given criminal background checks and child abuse clearances which are readily available, cheap, confidential and legally required of all child care centers and other work situations where children are in the care of adults other than their parents.  Why would a television production company that prides itself on being family-friendly not utilize these easily-accessible safeguards when working with children?  There are no deficits to doing so, and doing so would only make them look more professional, conscientious and caring toward the families they contract with.
  • Missing school and normal childhood activities, and disruption of normal childhood relationships, due to traveling and filming.
  • Losing a series of adults whom they’ve grown to love and bonded with, because the adults were concerned or spoke out against what was happening or because a parent resented those caretakers becoming too famous or earning too good of a living while working with the children.
  • One parent gone for long periods of time, leaving children with nannies rather than the other parent. 

Exploitation

  • No regulations about income.  Who knows how much the children have had set aside for them, if anything?  As recently as last month Kate stated she was worried about their college educations, despite the TV Guide claim that Kate makes $200,000 per episode of Kate Plus 8.
  • The children have said at various times over the years that they do not want to film, yet filming them continues to provide family income.
  • The children have been filmed having their diapers changed, going to the bathroom, in all manner of dress and undress, constipated, and vomiting, for entertainment of the audience.  The children are way too young to be capable of consent to having these personal aspects of their lives filmed and sold. *
  • Endangering the children by driving with them in the vehicle, up to 95 miles per hour in order to evade paparazzi, and driving at high speed at night with the vehicle lights off in order to be able to escape paparazzi.
  • Experiences that would normally create happy memories for the children, such as being given crooked play houses, or even going to the store with a parent, are created for entertainment rather than being freely given to the children without ulterior motive, thus tarnishing what should be normal, private family experiences.  (Children are not cute little puppies.)

My list is only a preliminary one which I was able to come up with in a brief amount of time.  There are many more examples of ways the children have been hurt in the process of being involved with reality TV.  Leave examples and links in comments and I’ll add them to this list as the week goes on.  (I know those of you who watched the shows can come up with lots of them for verbal abuse.)   In keeping with this week’s child labor laws hearings, examples should be specifically caused by the children being involved in entertainment.

Obviously, not all of the above issues can be addressed through proper legislation.  The bottom line is parents need to make their kids, not income provided by their kids, a priority.  We can legislate how many hours of work adults are allowed to squeeze out of minors, but we can’t legislate human values and integrity such as privacy or parents being empathic toward their children.

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Additions provided by commenters:

Verbal

Kate announces dinner ... one of the twins goes by and makes a comment and Kate says something not nice along the lines of "living with this child on a daily basis".  (Mickey McKean, 9/22)

Kate threatened the kids with "severe punishment" if they stepped foot in her bedroom. (Tizzie, 9/23)

In an early episode the mother yelled at the kids about upstairs vs downstairs toys, and threw a large toy down the stairs, almost hitting one of the twins.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

Both parents on many occasions made fun of things the kids said or did on the show, particularly when they were eating something.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

The mother saying everything she does is "for the kids" when in fact she cares more about buying / doing things for herself than them.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

While other families have to downsize their home to something more affordable, the mother lives in a McMansion and complains about how "poor" she is.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

The mother did nothing but yell at the kids when back to school shopping (available on YouTube) and barked out orders. She totally took the fun out of shopping for those new clothes and back to school items.  (GeorgiaMom, 9/23)

The mother pinching a female tup and telling her she could DIE because she licked Purell off hands.  (Wonky, 9/24)

The mother accusing a twin of lying on camera about requesting a milkshake in NYC.  (Wonky, 9/24)

Exploitation

In the episode from 2009, when they first brought the kids to the new house, one of the older girls hit one of the little girls until she was on the ground, then proceeded to kick her.  Jon nor Kate weren't there and a camera and sound person, at least, were present to film the fight, but did not interfere in anyway.  (Lee, 9/20)

The vow renewal and fake re-wedding when they were already in the process of separation. The children were told Mommy and Daddy will be together forever, so their feelings were manipulated, just to sell a show.  (GrandmaC, 9/21)

The cameras filming the children all night long, even as they slept, just in case wonderful, entertaining moments like bed-wetting or night terrors occurred.  (Virginia Pen Mom, 9/21 ) *

Their parents' divorce was a ratings ploy for the kids' 5th birthday party episode. (CynSP, 9/21)

Mady rolling around on the basement floor with just a producer and a cameraman present, potty shots, and Hannah nude as a toddler.  (Konspiracytheory 9/22) *

Trying to lead people to believe that the children are not working.  (Heather, 9/22)

The kids were filmed changing into their gymnastics outfits.  No nudity, but I recall thinking the twins were way too old to be shown that way (never mind the little ones).  (Konspiracytheory, 9/23) *

All of the kids' embarrassing moments are filmed, and they get no say in what is shown and what is cut. However the mother's embarrassing moments get shown once and then are edited out at her request.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

Whenever one of the kids cries, the camera zooms in on their face.  (Tizzie, 9/23) *

Emotional

When one of the twins and one of the younger girls both ran to Kate, one seeking justice and the other to cover up her crime of hitting the other, Kate ignored the allegations of a beat-down, and instead reprimanded the little one for offending the twin.  Kate failed to respond appropriately to one child striking another, effectively reinforcing instead of correcting the behavior.  (Lee, 9/20)

How about Kate berating that poor little boy by threatening to throw out his blanket (gumgate).   He was nearly hysterical.  (Linda 9/21)

How about Kate in NYC threatening to leave Cara behind with strangers.  (Linda, 9/21)

Then there was Kate telling poor little Aiden to stop complaining and be a man.  (Linda, 9/21)

Private body parts of Jon & Kate are publicly discussed  and shown in the media.  There's a legacy for the kids that includes thousands of pictures, stories, videos, etc. discussing the parents' "enhancements", body parts, wardrobe, life styles, friend choices, bodyguards and so on.  (sftk, 9/21)

Kate kicking the only real family these children have out of their lives and telling herself and the children that the film crew is their family.   (Barbara, 9/21)

One of the twins was humiliated when the clearly-favored, younger children received yet another fancy, expensive birthday party. The twin said, "I'll just die!"  (Virginia Pen Mom, 9/21)

Their father isn't allowed to come inside their property (it is their house...they earned it!) gate to pick them up or drop them off.  (CynSP, 9/21)

Mother making one of the tup girls sleep in the basement, alone.  (Bettina, 9/21)

The mother telling the kids not to listen to their father.  (txmom, 9/21)

One of the twins is having some sort of tantrum, mother yells at father to do something with her, then predicts on camera she will be a horrible teenager.  (txmom, 9/21)

Buying the kids dogs and then sending them back after filming was finished.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Setting the kids up for failure / competition:   K8 never cooks the kids a hot meal but when Cara and Mady play "mommy for a day" she gives them a challenging recipe (for their age.)  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Mother not participating on any of the boys' special days. (Lordybee, 9/21)

Mother's constant berating and demoralizing behavior towards the father.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Hundreds of YouTube videos and online groups that attack one of the twins.  (Lordybee, 9/21)

The Kate + 8 episode re the six pack's 6th birthday, where the kids were now in Florida and celebrating yet another "party" a week later and Mady does not understand why "they get 3 parties and we (twins) only get one day" and in the same episode Mady is feeling so ignored that she said, "nobody cares about me ... I just want to die".  (Mickey McKean, 9/22)

Their mother favors the girls and called the boys "icky".  (Mickey McKean 9/22)

On the Internet, adults with no formal education have not only labeled a twin's personality problems as fact, but have gone so far as to feel sorry for Jon and Kate to have a child like her.  The twin can google her own name and find web sites that bash her personality.  (Mickey McKean, 9/22)

In early August 2009 it was reported in the tabloids that per the father some of his kids were rebelling about being filmed - which kids were not identified - but the mother said on Larry King Live the show would continue.   (Mickey Mckean, 9/23)

For the record the mother did mention in this dairy farm episode that the twins were upset that they were not included on this day trip because they were in school that day. So, were the twins not included in this episode because they no longer wanted to be filmed or was it because they were in school and were unavailable to work?  It should be noted that this dairy farm episode was the last one to be filmed by TLC before the father stopped all filming of his children on October 1, 2009.  (Mickey McKean, 9/23)

It seems that unless it is filmed for a show, the Gosselin children do not get to participate in any outside fun activies such as taking gymnastic classes because it is too much trouble. One could say that their fishbowl world is all about home, school, and work.  No playing allowed!  (Mickey McKean, 9/23)

There has been no evidence that the kids do ANYTHING unless the TLC cameras are there. Where is Kate driving them to music lesson? Softball? Gymnastics? To a friend's house?  The father taking them horseback riding? Etc.? Nothing. No TMZ, radaronline reports or photos, and you know ROL would've jumped at the chance to promote Kate as a hands-on, do-it-myself mom.  (heather (NOT Heather), 9/23)

There is photographic evidence that the kids have felt "abused" by all the paparazzi attention and are trying to show the world that they want it to stop.  On several occasions a boy tup has been photographed hiding his face with his jacket or hands, a second boy tup did the same thing in New York City, a third boy tup made a face and pointed at the pap at an airport, and then at the father's apartment 3 kids hid under a beach towel.  (Mickey McKean, 9/23)

The mother does not allow the kids to do normal kid things because she doesn't want them to get their clothes dirty or stained, because then she can't sell them later.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

The mother says she's all about "making memories" but she threw away the kids' memory boxes.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

The mother cleaned out the twins' room while they were at school, and threw their stuff down the stairs.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

Buying the kids a treat and then the mother snatching it away from them because it's dripping or sticky.  (Tizzie, 9/23)

All of the children are not allowed to express opinions, to become individual persons, to grow up. It looks like the mother is trying to keep the clock from moving forward to continue to cash in.  (GeorgiaMom, 9/23)

The mother forcing the father to give up his job against his will so he could babysit kids while the mother and bodyguard went on book tour, and them the mother not allowing the husband or kids to call her while she was on the book tour.  (Wonky, 9/24)

The mother's commonly-known nickname for the father was "stubby," in derogotory reference to a private part of his body.  (Werny Gal, 9/26/0)

Neglect

Adults (in the past it seemed to be always men on the crew) get in the kids faces with their equipment, but don't interact, respond or even prevent injury as the kids have meltdowns, injuries, get sick, or physically fight with each other. (Lee, 9/20) 

The lack of physical affection from the mother toward the kids.  (sftk, 9/21) and (Pat, 9/21)

An episode where one of the sextuplets was beating the other over the head with a toy repeatedly. Again, this stuff happens, it's kids growing up, HOWEVER, any normal adult at the very least would've yelled "Knock it off!!"  But the film kept rolling.  (heather-NOT-Heather, 9/21)

Not giving the kids sea sickness pills before the fishing trip, and taking them out w/o a change of cloths or sweat shirts - it's always colder a few miles out on the ocean and if you run into fog, freezing.  (Pat, 9/21)

Keeping the kids "babyish" - sippy cups, high chairs, not ensuring they learn age appropriate skills.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Mady rolling around on the basement floor with just a producer and a cameraman present.  Potty shots, Hannah nude as a toddler.  (Konspiracytheory, 9/22) *

The children are repeatedly around and alone with people whose background had not been cleared.  This is an easy step of precaution for them to take.  (Heather, 9/22) *

The fishing episode:  Life jackets - required or not - should have been insisted upon by their mother for their own safety.   (Heather, 9/22)

The six pack who are starting kindergarten still do not know how to tie their shoes which is why the mother bought them tennis shoes with velcro straps.   (Mickey McKean, 9/22)

In order to have the six pack available to film a reality TV show, in August 2009 at age 5 years 3 months they were enrolled in pre-kindergarten classes that were only held 3 days a week.  In August 2010 the six pack at age 6 years 3 months started kindergarten classes.  This means that they will be driving when they are freshmen in high school and will be 19 years old when they graduate from high school.  Many viewers believe if the mother had taken the time to teach these children age appropriate things instead of trying to keep them as young as possible to make them marketable for a TV show, these six children could have been enrolled in regular kindergarten at the appropriate ages.  (The episode where the six pack walked to the neighbor's dairy was shot mid week after school started. It should be noted that this episode could not have been filmed during the week if the six pack had been enrolled in regular kindergarten classes.)  (MIckey McKean, 9/23)

There was an episode where the mother decided she was going to hire a nanny.  The mother went to an agency that specializes in nannies and Kate had either the owner or a manager do an initial interview with the candidate while the mother was watching the interview in an adjoining room on closed circuit TV.   Only if the mother was impressed with the initial interview did she choose to meet and interview the candidate herself.   Discovery Channel was recently reminded that there are nuts out there - so doesn't it make sense to pay $15 per employee background check before something happens to someone's child and the finger is pointing at your employee(s)?   And aren't the lives of these eight children worth the parents paying for some background checks at $15 each if TLC will not do it?  (Mickey Mckean, 9/23)

Letting kids run like monkeys and out of eyesight while in department store.  (Wonky, 9/24)

Letting kids play with and fight over large display Croc in crowded display area of shoe dept while she tried on shoes.  (Wonky, 9/24)

The mother allowing kids to melt down from hunger on regular basis. ie: at dairy farm, kids were so hungry they drank several cups of chocolate milk each.   The mother then counted the milk as a meal and did not feed them dinner later that night.  (Wonky, 9/24)

The mother ignoring kids' squabbles, or shooing them off as they try to explain a problem (locked out of bedroom in Party City episode) so she can continue talking to the camera.  (Wonky, 9/24)

Physical

The filming of a boy tup's impacted bowels while his mother was completely immersed in choosing freebie bunk beds.  (Irene, 9/21) *

Boy tup being placed on laundry room floor because he has vomited on his new comforter- the mother exits, turning off lights & closing door - Leaving sick vomiting child alone laying on the floor in a dark windowless room - the father came home from work, rescued boy from laundry room floor.  (Susie, 9/21)

When dropping kids off at their church Sunday school, girl tup starts gagging - the mother yells"don't you vomit on so & so"- then the mother says to camera, "girl tup vomits when upset."   The mother then continues talking to the camera saying she (the mother) makes her daughter wear vomitus clothes the rest of the day as punishment, to break this habit.  (Susie, 9/21)

The clearly unhappy kids were taken out deep sea fishing without wearing life jackets and dragged around New York during a heat emergency for hours upon hours, for filming.  (CynSP, 9/21)

The mother's rough handling of the kids when she would brush their teeth in the middle of the kitchen.  All I could think of, was ouch, she was tearing out their gums.  (Pat, 9/21)

Cupcake episode, and denying a thirsty twin water.  (txmom, 9/21)

Kids had to endure a Good Housekeeping photo shoot wearing heavy fall clothing ( it was for a Thanksgiving cover) in August when the temp was over 90 degrees.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Extra bright stage lights installed in the home.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Buying the kids dogs and then sending them back after filming was finished.  (Lordybee, 9/21)

Keeping the kids "babyish" - sippy cups, high chairs, not ensuring they learn age appropriate skills.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Setting the kids up for failure / competition :  the mother never cooks the kids a hot meal but when the twins play "mommy for a day" she gives them a challenging recipe (for their age.)  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Mother not participating on any of the boys' special days. (LordyBee, 9/21)

Mother constantly berates and demoralizes husband in front of kids and on camera.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Kids witness mother's lies and deceit and must keep them a secret.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

Hundreds of YouTube videos and groups that attack one of the twins.  (LordyBee, 9/21)

How about the wooden spoon in the door of the van, and the big red spoon seen in several episodes (lying on the kitchen counter, tucked under the father's arm as he yelled at a flinching twin)... the Thomas the Tank Engine epi, where a twin flinches when her angry father approaches her.   Also, the father's 'walk in the woods' epi where one of the girl tups flinches when he angrily breaks a walking stick and hurls it into the woods...Then there's the infamous interview with the mother with the double whammy of denying a twin water and pinching a female tup to make her sit still.  The mother steering the boy tups by their heads, the mother forcing the tups in general to hold their arm directly upright while holding her hand (clearly showing them that she is in control).   The mother lifting the baby tups out of their cribs by their arms, the father taking them out of the van in the same manner, the mother recently chucking one of the boy tups out of the van (school bus photo op), the mother 'mashing' a boy top's mouth at the bus stop.  (Konspiracytheory, 9/22)

A guard at Seseme Place told them it was 113 degrees that day.  In the mother's words: "it was dangerously hot," and  "We're not water park people."   The kids had to settle for 'fun' in the sweltering heat on the few non-water rides there (they have added more since this was filmed - we've been many times), then indoor lunch and an indoor show (thank goodness), only then to be followed by a brief time at the end where they were allowed to do the water stuff because it took them "two hours" (the mother's words) to get them in and out of their swim stuff.  (Konspiracytheory 9/23)

The mother waiting over a week to make a doctors appt for a twin to address her hurt foot and blaming the ex-husband for not doing it even though she had custody of the twin for several days herself before calling the doctor.  (Wonky, 9/24)

One staffer told the media how the mother would smack her children with a large, plastic spoon when they refused to play nice for the camera and when they misbehave.   (Tizzie, 9/25)

When one of the boys closed a door on another one once, the mother got in their faces and yelled, 'You tell me the truth about what happened!' The children just stood there, terrified. Then she dragged one of the boys into the bathroom and spanked him five or six times with a large plastic mixing spoon. You could hear the mother forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs.  (Tizzie, 9/25)

About the above two incidents:  The source claimed that this happened more than once but the mother didn't want any of it in the show.  (Tizzie, 9/25)

Yard scenes were filmed when it was very cold outside, it was not shot in the fall or spring.   Before the scenes could be shot the lawn first had to have all snow removed and then the grass was spray painted green in order to make the white sign really "pop".    It took a lot of time to film these scenes - it took a lot of retakes - but the children were not allowed to wear jackets because it would not be "visually pleasing".    They were wearing long sleeved shirts, but not the jackets that would be required of weather than was the 32 degrees or less that is required for snow in PA.  (Mickey McKean, 9/25)

An eye witness on Sunday Sept 26 described the children being hounded by fans on a visit with their father and his girlfriend at a nearby arcade.  The witness said adults and children were trying to get near the kids by taking their pictures, ignoring the father and girlfriend when they tried to make them stop. Even in the ball pit area there were kids talking to the kids about the show; the kids looked uncomfortable.   (Mickey Mckean, 9/26)

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Reader Comments (86)

The Sesame Place episode - Lordy Be! I went back and watched part of it on youtube just to make sure my memory served me well:

According to J&K, a guard at SP told them it was 113 degrees that day. In Kate's words: "it was dangerously hot". So...it's a water park - that will help, right? Not if you're Jon & Kate: "We're not water park people". So you are there because...? Oh, right - never mind. The kids have to settle for 'fun' in the sweltering heat on the few non-water rides there (they have added more since this was filmed - we've been many times), then indoor lunch and an indoor show (thank goodness), only then to be followed by a brief time at the end where they were allowed to do the water stuff because it took them "two hours" (Kate's words) to get them in and out of their swim stuff.

Also, in this epi Kate is particularly vicious to Jon in front of the children (and the world).

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterkonspiracytheory

In order to have the six pack available to film a reality TV show, in August 2009 at age 5 years 3 months they were enrolled in pre-kindergarten classes that are only held 3 days a week.

Using the fact that the children were born prematurely and some/all were developmentally delayed, Kate held the six pack back from regular kindergarten classes that are held 5 days a week . However, it is believed that had Kate taken the time to teach these children age appropriate things instead of trying to keep them as young as possible to make them marketable for a TV show, these six children could have been enrolled in regular kindergarten.

In August 2010 the six pack at age 6 years 3 months started kindergarten classes. This means that they will be driving when they are freshmen in high school and will be 19 years old when they graduate from high school.

IMHO to be kept available to film a reality TV show during the week, as well as on the weekend, is NOT a valid reason to hold back any child from an education!

The episode where the six pack walked to the neighbor's dairy was shot mid week after school started. It should be noted that this episode could not have been filmed during the week if the six pack had been enrolled in regular kindergarten classes.

In early August it was reported in the tabloids that per Jon some of his kids were rebelling about being filmed - which kids were not identified - but Kate said on Larry King Live the show would continue. For the record Kate did mention in this dairy farm episode that the twins were upset that they were not included on this day trip because they were in school that day. So, were the twins not included in this episode because they no longer wanted to be filmed or was it because they were in school and were unavailable to work?

It should be noted that this dairy farm episode was the last one to be filmed by TLC before Jon stopped all filming of his children on October 1, 2009.

JMO

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMickey McKean

These are all outrageous and totally unacceptable, but Mickey, I have to say the one about the kids' school has me absolutely horrified. It reminds me very much of the kinds of things the Canadian government did to the Dionnes. How could our society let this happen, and even watch it and call it entertainment?

September 23, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

Kate and the kids did an episode in 2009 where they went to a local gymnastic club to do tumbling, etc. It started with the whole family getting new leotards for the lesson ... excuse me per Leah who was the most excited about going to these classes they are called Leah-tards, Hannah-tards, etc.

Now even though all the kids appeared to have thoroughly enjoyed the classes, Leah in particular, upon information and belief the Gosselin children have not been back for any additional classes at this place of business.

As it is Kate told the instructors her kids were not like normal kids. Kate was correct; people were staring at the Gosselins which even made me feel uncomfortable but I'm sure a lot had to do with the camera guys and equipment there, as well as Kate's bodyguard lurking around the mats.

I, for one, do not see any reason why these kids cannot sign up for fun classes; it is not as if they could not afford them. Besides, it would help these children coordinate their minds and bodies, in addition to expanding their world to include other children outside of their school.

So it seems that unless it is filmed for a show, the Gosselin children do not get to participate in any outside fun activies such as taking gymnastic classes because it is too much trouble. One could say that their fishbowl world is all about home, school, and work. No playing allowed!

JMO

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMickey McKean

Mickey, you are so right about that. I've often wondered if there was a clause in the contract that the kids WEREN'T ALLOWED to participate in any classes, trips, activities, etc. UNLESS it was paid by TLC and filmed for an episode.

There has been no evidence that the kids do ANYTHING unless the TLC cameras are there. Where is Kate driving them to music lesson? Softball? Gymnastics? To a friend's house? Jon taking them horseback riding? Etc.? Nothing. No TMZ, radaronline reports or photos, and you know ROL would've jumped at the chance to promote Kate as a hands-on, do-it-myself mom. But no. Nada.

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterheather (NOT Heather)

There is photographic evidence that the kids have felt "abused" by all the paparazzi attention and are trying to show the world that they want it to stop. On several occasions Collin has been photographed hiding his face with his jacket or hands, Joel did the same thing in New York City, Aiden made a face and pointed at the pap at an airport, and then at Jon's apartment 3 kids hid under a beach towel.

Taking into consideration that it is more than just one child acting out, and the fact that they are only 6 years old, it seems to me that these kids are doing the best they can in getting the message across that they are sick and tired of living in a fishbowl and want their privacy back!

What concerns me - and I am just guessing/assuming of course - is what happened to these kids behind closed doors once the photographs hit the Internet?

Where they punished in some way for being "bad"?

JMO

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMickey McKean

heather (NOT Heather):

I assume that the twins are able to participate in school activities such as soccer, volleyball, etc. At least I hope so since Cara seems so sports oriented that I can see how she might be competitive with her classmates in P.E. class.

It seems to me that the twins are the right age to join Girl Scouts. I wonder if they want to sign up, will they be allowed? If not, why not?

I don't know if TLC is not allowing these extra activities or if it is Kate because she loves being in control. If it is Kate, could it be that she has no time or desire in running them around town to their various interests?

All I know is that Leah's personal day involved gymnastics so it was not all that surprising that she was extremely animated about going to this gym for the episode. But for it to turn out to be just the one visit is just wrong as far as I'm concerned.

JMO

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMickey McKean

@ Mickey - the gymnastics epi was one of the last I watched (I'm proud to say I have not watched Kate Plus 8 at all). Wasn't there a scene in that epi where the kids were filmed changing into their gymnastics outfits? No nudity, but I recall thinking the twins were way too old to be shown that way (never mind the little ones).

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterkonspiracytheory

I don't know if this is true or not but In Touch Weekly has an article out (Preesi's site has the scan of it) saying that K+8 is canceled. Just thought it was interesting in light of the child labor hearings.

http://preesi.lefora.com/2010/09/23/intouch-scan-kate-gets-cancelled-october-4th-2010/

Crossing my fingers that it's true!

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterGKWay

According to this article it's not true.

http://www.gossipcop.com/kate-gosselin-show-canceled-cancelled-plus-8-eight-tlc/

September 23, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

Upon information and belief it has been established that TLC has NOT done any criminal background checks on their employees that they have hired and have assigned to work around the Gosselin children.

My understanding is that in Pennsylvania, unless the individual is hired as a child caretaker, a criminal background check is not required. This is what is commonly called a loophole.

I have been advised that in Pennsylvania a background check per employee is $10 to 15. All things considered, I would think that it makes common sense for any employer to pay this nominal amount and have criminal background checks done rather than put itself at risk as a defendant in a future lawsuit. We live in a crazy world - Discovery Channel was recently reminded that there are nuts out there - so doesn't it make sense to pay $15 per employee before something happens to someone's child and the finger is pointing at your employee(s)?

There was an episode where Kate decided she was going to hire a nanny. Kate went to an agency that specializes in nannies and Kate had either the owner or a manager do an initial interview with the candidate while Kate was watching the interview in an adjoining room on closed circuit TV. Only if Kate was impressed with the initial interview did she choose to meet and interview the candidate herself.

So whereas we could have the discussion that Kate was extremely anal in picking just the right nanny to be around her children, why would Kate not insist on criminal background checks for any person that has been hired by TLC and is around her children even when she is not in the room at the same time?

Even if TLC does not want to spend the $15 per employee, why doesn't Jon or Kate (1) insist TLC have background checks done and show them the results, or (2) request these people submit to a private background check which they will pay out of their own pocket. Obviously if anyone were to refuse a background check that Jon or Kate insist that they be forever barred from being around their children.

Seriously, aren't the lives of these eight children worth paying for some background checks at $15 each if TLC will not do it?

JMO

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMickey McKean

For the commentors who have stated that impaction requires surgical intervention this is patently incorrect. RN's disimpact patients on a regular basis. Bowel obstruction sometimes requires surgical intervention and colostomy but only if a naso gastric tube and IV fluids for 2-4 days does not reverse the obstruction. Impaction never requires surgical intervention. Colin had an episode of impaction. The End.

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterNancyB

Some more examples -

I read somewhere that in 49 states, children DO NOT OWN the money they earn. So whatever the Gosselin 8 make from the show is Kate's to spend however she wants, and she has chosen to blow it all on HERSELF. Hair extensions, spa treatments, boobs, botox, endless pairs of shoes, clothes, etc.

Kate threatened the kids with "severe punishment" if they stepped foot in her bedroom.

All of the kids' embarrassing moments are filmed, and they get no say in what is shown and what is cut. However KATE'S embarrassing moments get shown once and then are edited out at her request.

Kate does not allow the kids to do normal kid things because she doesn't want them to get their clothes dirty or stained, because then she can't sell them later.

Kate is all about "making memories" but she threw away the kids' memory boxes and I'm sure does the same with anything they make.

Kate cleaned out the twins' room while they were at school, and threw their stuff down the stairs.

In an early episode Kate yelled at the kids about upstairs vs downstairs toys, and threw a large toy down the stairs, almost hitting one of the twins.

Both Jon and Kate on many occasions made fun of things the kids said or did on the show, particularly when they were eating something.

Kate allowing the kids' bathroom activities to be filmed.

Whenever one of the kids cries, the camera zooms in on their face.

Buying the kids a treat and then snatching it away from them because it's dripping or sticky.

Kate saying everything she does is "for the kids" when in fact she cares more about buying / doing things for herself than them.

While other families have to downsize their home to something more affordable, Kate lives in a McMansion and complains about how "poor" she is.

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterTizzie

If the children are allowed to participate in activities with others, my guess is we wouldn't see it because the parents of the other children wouldn't allow theirs to be photographed. Just imagine Kate (with her hooker heels) and TLC (with their cameras and crew) showing up to a girl scout meeting. My guess is they would be shown the door real quick.

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered Commentermary

Good solid info, Mickey, thanks for posting it here. I can verify everything you said, from working in PA in fields related to serving children since 1984.

Thanks for the clarification, Nancy. It's good to have another expert pipe in and clarify for us.

Those are some great examples, Tizzie. They will definitely be added tomorrow when I am a little more past my sinus infection and feeling like a normal human being again. (Right now it's all I can do to sit here w/o hurling, not to give you waaay TMI.) : )

I'm only guessing but I think the kids would be welcome anywhere around here, for their own sakes, despite the fact that Kate is known to be so rude. They have never participated in anything local to my knowledge, including regular play dates with friends or sleepovers. I think the last real friends they had were Jodi and Kevin's kids, and look what happened to that. I think most folks are smart enough to know not to persecute the little ones just because their mom is unpleasant to deal with.

September 23, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

I guess this is not abuse, but poor parenting at best: Kate did nothing but yell at the kids when back to school shopping (watched on YouTube) and barked out orders. She totally took the fun out of shopping for those new clothes and back to school items. And what is up with the velcro shoes, sippy cups and high chairs still for the tups? All of the children are not allowed to express opinions, to become individual persons, to grow up. I feel like Kate Gosselin is trying to keep the clock from moving forward to continue to cash in.

I am not sure what is going on with the show or if it has been canceled or not, but most definitely it is stale and Kate is the worst role model of a mother I have ever witnessed on TV or in real life.

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterGeorgiaMom

WG. Sorry about your sinus infection. I know how bad they can get. Was once hospitalized for nearly 2 weeks with one. Feel better soon.

I was the oldest of 4. My Dad died very suddenly from a heart attack when he was 35. He took us to Mass one Sunday morning and that was it. That quick. My Dad was working 3 jobs at the time and my Mom was a SAHM. In those days women didn't work and didn't for the most part drive. We had a family friend who was working in the Soap Operas of the day and he got my brother and I into modeling to help pay the bills. Have to say my brother did a lot more work than I did. He was much cuter. LOL. We did that for a short time until one morning he got up and asked my Mom if he had to go to work that day. That was the end of that. Once she heard that we thought it was "work", that was it. I have to say, it was a lot more work for my Mom than for us. She had to find sitters and pay for them to watch the other two. I remember sitting on the subway ( we lived in NYC) after school and my Mom putting curlers in my hair before we got downtown. Anyway, here she was, only 33 years old, 4 kids and no way to support us.
The modeling would have been the easy way out. My Mom leaned how to drive and she got a job. We all went to Catholic school and all had braces on our teeth. We managed a week at the Jersey Shore every year and that became our tradition. My kids and grandkids continue that tradition. My Mom has passed but she did the right thing by her children with never a thought to herself. Thank you Mom. Wish Kate could take a little lesson from my Mom..

Feel better WG

September 23, 2010 | Unregistered Commentermary

I agree, that sippy cup/high chair stuff is really creepy, GMom. The point of successful parenting is to teach our kids to be independent, and this kind of infantilization is really crippling. Parents who do that are usually meeting their own needs, not the children's.

Thanks Mary, I am prone to sinus infections and they are so yucky! Your mom sounds like a real gem - smart, sensitive and tuned into her kids. A real hard worker too. I am so happy for you that you had a mom like that...what wonderful memories you must have.

September 23, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

Kate showing obvious bias against boys:

-Did not let them eat their bday cupcakes because they 'didn't eat enough dinner'. However, the girl tups ate the same amount yet were allowed to eat their cupcakes in front of their brothers
-Not allowing boy tup to help frost American flag cake with the girls for no reason
-Implying on camera that boy tup is clueless and may be gay
-Telling boys to 'man up, hit it like a man' and fostering outdated, sexist stereotypes

Kate's Neglect:
-Kate waiting over a week to make a doctors appt for Cara to address her hurt foot and blaming Jon for not doing it even though she had custody of Cara for several days herself before calling the doctor
-Letting kids run like monkeys and out of eyesight while in department store
-Letting kids play with and fight over large display Croc in crowded display area of shoe dept while she tried on shoes
-Kate forcing Jon to give up job against his will so he could babysit kids while Kate and Steve went on book tour
-Kate not allowing Jon or kids to call her while she was on book tour
-Kate allowing kids to melt down from hunger on regular basis. ie: at dairy farm, kids were so hungry they drank several cups of chocolate milk each. Kate counted the milk as a meal and did not feed them dinner later that night
-Kate ignoring kids' squabbles, or shooing them off as they try to explain a problem (locked out of bedroom in Party City episode) so she can continue talking to the camera

-Kate pinching Alexis and telling her she could DIE because she licked Purell off hands
-Kate accusing Cara of lying about requesting a milkshake in NYC
-Kate dressing in a provocative and embarrassing fashion in front of kids and cameras after publicly lying about not having an obvious boob job

September 24, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterWonky

Nancy B said: For the commentors who have stated that impaction requires surgical intervention this is patently incorrect. RN's disimpact patients on a regular basis. Bowel obstruction sometimes requires surgical intervention and colostomy but only if a naso gastric tube and IV fluids for 2-4 days does not reverse the obstruction. Impaction never requires surgical intervention. Colin had an episode of impaction. The End.

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Thanks, Nancy B. for the info. The debate is really not about impacted bowels vs. constipation. I know the Kate defenders would rather argue about the state of Colins bowels rather than focus on the real issue which is why didn't she comfort her child who was clearly in distress? Why didn't she insist that filming halt so she could tend to Colin's needs and film the bunkbed purchase another time? And more importantly - why did she and Jon allow this to even make it out to the public?

It's almost always easier to get someone to see your view when you ask them to put themselves in the place of the offended. Kate and her supporters need to pretend they are Colin for a minute. You are extremely constipated and as a result, extremely uncomfortable. Let's stick a camera in your face and film the whole thing, including someone laying you out in the back of a van to remove your waste. Anyone want to sign up for that?!?! Didn't think so. Why is it then OK for Colin's experience to be exposed for the world to see?!?! It's not.

I think we all know who the real dregs are in this case.

September 24, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterHeather

Heather said......Why didn't she insist that filming halt so she could tend to Colin's needs and film the bunk bed purchase another time? And more importantly - why did she and Jon allow this to even make it out to the public?

My answer is because they were filming. Filming before all other things! Filming was the reason they went out in that NYC heat. Filming was the reason Cara was taken to the doctor by a call-in babysitter so Kate could "play" with the other kids. Filming was the reason vomiting kids were not taken back to shore (not that they got any footage except vomiting kids). So, if anybody thinks that a miserable child with a belly full of dried up stools is going to halt TLC from getting its episode of bed-buying in the can (sorry), well, they better think again. It's a business, and Kate Gosselin benefits by being there with her kids in tow no matter how they are feeling or what is going on in their actual lives.

September 24, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterfidosmommy

Correction wrote:
"The PA DOL&I has said that there are trust funds set up for the children and TLC is depositing 15% of their gross earnings into them. Who knows? They do."

Hmm, anyone know when this came out? I don't remember this....

September 24, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterA Wiki Editor

Great post Heather. I like how you focused everyone back on the real issue of Colin's constipation, which was that his mom felt it was more important to shop for beds then help their child and it was filmed for the world to see.

September 24, 2010 | Unregistered Commentersilimom

I agree with Silimom, Heather--great post!

September 24, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterNancyB

This is truly one head-spinning list! It would be very clear to more people how truly abusive this situation is if it wasn't connected to a TV show. And this shows how low we've sunk as a society, that we watch this crap and consider it entertainment. Something, well, lots of things, are very wrong with this picture.

September 24, 2010 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal

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